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Heavyweights Banned, Oblivion, Nemesis & Air
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post May 23 2004, 3:01 PM
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I'm sure that this is an old story, but icbirmingham.co.uk are reporting on the problems that very large people have on riding some of the rides at Alton Towers.

Link:- Theme park's weighty ban Story
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post May 23 2004, 3:34 PM
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It might give people a wake up call of they are turned away from a ride because of their size, some people are seriously overweight and they don't seem the care.

One thing that annoyed me was a programme I saw not all that long ago about obesity, one woman (who was seriously obese) was annoyed because there was a waiting list for an operation she wanted to shrink her stomach. She didnít work, she had people coming to her house to look after her and she was on benefits (because she was too fat to walk)! Why should we pay for her to have an operation because she ate to much and was too lazy to exercise!

Anyway back on topic, Alton Towers wouldn't put these restrictions on just because they want to annoy overweight people, if there are safety risks then im all for it. Most rides in America have fat seats (because half the population are obese) it would benefit large people over here, but is obesity such a problem in the UK that we have to do this?

(I apologise in advance if I offended any overweight people who post here, if there are any)
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post May 23 2004, 3:57 PM
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I have nothing against larger people, but if they want to be obese they have to take the consequenses. Peoples safety HAS to come first!!!

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post May 23 2004, 11:01 PM
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You wil find that the rides that are able to at alton do have Fat-Boy seats (as they r known) however with altons ride line up there r currently only 2 rides with them installed, Nemesis and Oblivion.

They can be identified as they are the seats with 2 seat belts instead of one.

AIR, due to its restraint system cannot take them, corkie is old and they didnt see it a problem when it was first installed, Ripsaw and Submission, due to their double lock system cannot have fat seats.

Other rides, dnt need em (rapids, loggy etc) or are old and dnt warrant them installing (UGSwinger etc) or simply r incompatible (RMT, Spinball (I think) etc)


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post May 24 2004, 7:40 AM
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Why should we pay for her to have an operation because she ate to much and was too lazy to exercise!


mmm, I take it you aint fat then.

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post May 24 2004, 7:42 AM
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Midlands Today are also running the story on their Regional Bulletins.
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post May 24 2004, 12:24 PM
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QUOTE (Kondor @ May 24 2004, 08:40 AM)
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Why should we pay for her to have an operation because she ate to much and was too lazy to exercise!


mmm, I take it you aint fat then.

Maybe I should have emphasized that she had never worked in her life, she was claiming benefits and she couldn't walk so the NHS and her family had to look after her. Her "disability" was completely self inflicted, she made the choice to become disabled, others don't have the choice (as you know Kondor) so why should she get special treatment, its selfish. She had never contributed to society so why should we pay for her, plus she had the cheek to complain about the waiting list.

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post May 24 2004, 12:52 PM
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anyone who knows me knows im a fat get, but if it got to the point where it affected my daily life id do something about it


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post May 24 2004, 12:56 PM
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im a fat bar steward also...but its not my fat gut that makes it difficult on air for me, its my huge muscular legs....


i have no problems on nemmy/'bliv/ripsaw/submission etc.....
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post May 24 2004, 6:03 PM
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aru, yes it does appear like self inflicted, but im not a doctor. Maybe the reason folks spend so much money on food, and eat so much, isnt because they have an inbuilt desire to be fat. Maybe it is because they do actually have something wrong with them, Clinical Depression is a very real thing. It shows itself by making you idle, or sometimes by making you a workacholic, whichever path it chooses you can bet the end result will be that it pushes you further and further into depression.
Now if someone hasnt worked in there life, if they are really really big then I should think there physical state would be nothing compared to there mental state. One thing seems certain, either obesity leads to clinical depression or clinical depression leads to obesity.

Maybe you feel she wants the opperation for cosmetic reasons?
Well after the op (which carries a life risk as all do) she will be left in agony, pain, and a big scar. After the weight loss she will be left with a lot of flabby skin which wouldnt be a nice sight, it would take more than one lifetime for that excess skin to dissapear in the quantity your talking about. Not really desirable is it?

Your comments about her not putting into society make me smile. Personally I would love my taxes to go to someone who needed them, not someone who had earned them. I can see your point though, maybe we should just let her die, from a financial point of view it makes alot of sense.

For a long time now Ive toyed with the idea of a society this is how it goes see what you think...

Everyone goes to school from birth untill 21
Everyone Works from ages 21 - 60
Everyone retires at 60.
Everything medically possible to keep people alive untill they are 70 is done for them, they are given a full working wage between the ages of 60 and 70.
At the age of 70 they are terminated.

I know it is way off the topic but heck it would save a load of TAX. We dont really need very old people, they take up space, houses, hospital beds and leech tax.
I know what your thinking...
"Some of them do pay in alot of money into the system first though"

Perhaps we should just terminate the ones that havent paid enough into the system? Or just the ones that havent paid a thing.

Heck thinking about it, termination will probably cost money, lets just stop feeding them, remove all there benefits, medicines, anything else they havent earned and watch them slowley die.

yup mate im with you all the way (NOT)


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post May 24 2004, 6:52 PM
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I get your point but I was taking on an individual level. You would have to see the programme to understand that the woman was selfish and actually liked being the size she was. She liked the fact that everything was done for her, she got a flat, food, money, all off the state, she had helpers every day, and she liked it! She was pushed into the operation by her family and doctor, her attitude was, "oh I don't know why I bothered applying for this operation, its taking so long ", that's selfishness! If I was her I would be delighted that someone was giving me the opportunity to sort out my health problems.

On a national scale, no I don't think my attitude to this individual is at all viable, you must understand that I saw the womans attitudes to her family and the state and you didn't. Sure mentally she must have disliked the way she was (we all would), but her obesity gave her an easy (lazy) life, and that's what seemed to want.
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post May 24 2004, 8:27 PM
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your totally right aru,
I didnt see the program and shouldnt really voice strong opinions about something I havent even seen (though ask me about my views on the film titanic and you will get just that, turning a disaster in to a love story grrrr)
Sorry smile.gif

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post May 31 2004, 7:27 PM
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I have to use the fat seats on Nemesis and Oblivion. I don't fit on Ripsaw or Submission, but AIR, Corkscrew and all the others are not a problem.


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post Jul 22 2006, 10:34 PM
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i would like to add to this topic.
I am an absolute alton towers maniac!! I love the place. I went 2 times last summer, and everything was fine, i did not have one problem getting on any ride,

5 months later when the park reopened the next year I went on all the same rides.
I was so so so embaressed!! ! - i must have put some more weight on, cos i could not get on anything without a struggle.
I had to be forced into Air, and Nemesis, Rita was tight but ok, Did not wana chance oblivion, but ripsaw was also a big nono.
I would like to say thanks to the alton towers staff for not making a big (pun) deal of it, and they gave me and my mate some priv passes.

What i dont get, my waist is no where near 52", the restraints were not pushing on my waist!, i really dont understand what the problem was!!
Sad thing is it will prob put me off theme parks for a long time, until i lose a hell of a lot of weight!!

Big respect out to the staff tho, they were very professional. At least I got on most of the rides i wanted to go on.
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post Jul 23 2006, 1:16 PM
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I'm a bit worried about this. My other half is a big bloke. not so much fat but he has huge shoulders and is built like a brick [removed] house (used to play rugby a lot and was in the Army)
We went to Thorpe Park about 2 years ago and went on Nemesis Inferno. 2 hours later went to go back on it and they said he was too fat. He explained that he had already been on it once and he hadn't even eated in between but they were having none of it.

We are coming to Alton Towers next month and its going to be a pretty pants trip for him if he can't get on any of the rides.


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post Jul 23 2006, 2:07 PM
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Well Nemesis and Oblivion have a 'large seat' if required, which he could use. To be fair, the B&M seats are pretty spacious on those two rides anyway. i'm sure it'll be fine.

Ug Swinger could be a problem as the seats are quite restrictive if you have a large derriere.


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post Jul 23 2006, 6:58 PM
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i struggle on most rides because i am big, but its just my chest that causes me most problems! i'm fine on spinball whizzer, but the others i struggle on. Last time on air, they had to shove the harness down
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post Jul 23 2006, 10:32 PM
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I'm pretty big all over, have a large barrel like chest and shoulders (always been like that and always served me well playing rugby), chunky legs.. and now as I'm getting older getting a paid for middle spread...lol

I have no problems at all getting into a Nemesis seat, sometimes I can fit and fasten my own harness on oblivion occasionally needing a bit of a push down by a helpul ride op to fasten the lapbelt (especially on the back row, no problems whatsoever on Rita, Spinball or Corkscrew, and generally I need jumping on to get into Air's seats.. the last time I went on it I was effectively screwed into place by key..lol. It's my legs more than anything that are my problem on Air. Oh I'm talking normal seats here not the wide boy seats.

What I find odd though particularly with Oblivion is that sometimes I have no problems at all fastening my own harness (read lap belt), and others I need jumping on. These belts either must be subject to some shrinkage, or they're not all the same length.

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QUOTE (Swampster @ Jul 23 2006, 11:32 PM) *
I'm pretty big all over, have a large barrel like chest and shoulders (always been like that and always served me well playing rugby), chunky legs


Same here. The biggest problem i have is that i have big thighs, so when the restraints are closed, my thighs stop them from reaching my waist. I don't really have a problem with any of the rides at alton towers, coz on nem/air/ob the legroom means that my muscles don't tense much, leaving alot more room, and on rita, i can change the strap size to accomodate my thighs.

The worst ride for me is Colossus at Thorpe Park. On the test seat, the floor on it is lower than the actual ride, meaning legs don't tense, meaning more room for restraints. I fit in it nicely. Now Colossus trains aren't the roomiest of coasters, and the restraints are so bulky, so my thighs have no chance in hell of being able to fit sad.gif


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post Jul 24 2006, 8:03 PM
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I'm another one that oftens spends the queuetime worrying that I'll get on the ride I'm waiting for. The problem is, although I'm not the thinnest bloke in the place, I can never get my shoulders comfortable in the restraints.

Can get on Air by a couple 'clicks' on the harness and Rita is snug by livable. The REAL fun is Nemmie and the good ol' Corkscrew. On Nemesis, I can get the harness tight around my shoulders so there's no way I'm falling out but I always end up with a little daylight between harness and belly. This generally causes the ride op to have a little swing on the bar crushing me into the seat like a rat in a trap!

Not the most comfortable of places when there's multiple G to play with tongue.gif

Corky is even worse.... It's not the first time the ride has been held up because the op assumed my harness was still half-open (fair enough I s'pose). Yet again, a little dance on the metalwork to convince them and away we go....

Both times, it was my shoulders that were the problem and not the gut.

Heading over to the Florida parks in a few months, hopefully the average seat size will be big enough to keep things comfortable.
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