Just something some of you might want to know:
Link to BBC
I have never been on the ride, anybody know what it is like?
Full Version: Dreamland - Margate
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the Scenic Railway - the UK's only listed rollercoaster
Can someone explain that to me?
QUOTE (Nemesis @ Jun 29 2004, 09:50 PM)
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the Scenic Railway - the UK's only listed rollercoaster
Can someone explain that to me?
Listed like old buildings are listed, ie. preserved from alteration / demolition (in theory).
I like the way that BBC report has several images but none of them are of the Scenic Railway. Surely they must have at least one picture of a 80-odd year old rollercoaster in its archive.
I know what it looks like, thanks. Not only did I go about a month ago to peer through the gates, I saw it on TV last week (in the Jolly Boys Outing episode of Only Fools and horses).
I know I'm resurrecting an old topic here, but there's finally some good news for Dreamland, which should lead to the assured preservation of both the park and the Scenic Railway. Click here to read more...
Good news - hopefully I will get to ride it one day - just to say I have been on it.
QUOTE (meames @ Mar 29 2005, 12:42 PM)
Good news - hopefully I will get to ride it one day - just to say I have been on it.
Me too, but I have now ridden an even older rollercoaster...
The Russian Mountain at Tivoli in Copenhagen is from 1914, Scenic railway is 1920.
Now thats a fantastic coaster Big L. Sublime and incredible to think its that old!
Does anyone know who the interested theme park operators are, mentioned in the article?
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Does anyone know who the interested theme park operators are, mentioned in the article?
Grevin, the group who own among others Parc Astérix and now Pleasurewood Hills, unsucessfully attempted to purchase Dreamland, Phillip Miller of Adventure Island also had his offer to buy the park turned down, but remains keen to still take on the park.
The Scenic Railway is a fantastic ride, one great trait of the roller coasters of this era was how exhilarating and fun the ride experiences were
In today's climate of trying to build faster, more intense coasters, it’s a refreshing change to ride such a well rounded pleasant coaster, lets hope the new owners of Dreamland are committed to rejuvenating the entire amusement park to ensure a prosperous and secure home for the Scenic Railway
Well this topic has been dead for quite a while but for those who haven't heard here is the next part of the story:
1) Public Inspector said that Dreamland should remain an Amusement Park!
2) Council voted on whether to accept Inspector's Recommendatiosn-all Labour Councillors vote in favour (good)
All conservatives vote against it (bad is an understatement).
Anyhow that's a very simplistic account of what has happened but if you want to hear more then the lastest news is on the Save Dreamland website
www.savedreamland.co.uk
OK, as the public enquiry rapidly approaches people have the chance to make their views known in the Isle of Thanet Gazette. Basically anyone can add a message (you don't have to be local', it's free and very quick. Although it won't directly influence the Council it will ensure that the campaign has the full support of the major local paper which would be a great boost in saving Dreamland. Presently the results are.
37 messages support preserving the entire site as an amusement park
4 comments would like atlest a portion to be designated to an alternative use (eg as an ice skating rink).
If you want to help save Dreamland then the link so you can make your voice heard is below:
http://ickent.icnetwork.co.uk/debate/page....d=74229&start=1
Thanks to everyone who is continually supporting the campaign!!!
1) Public Inspector said that Dreamland should remain an Amusement Park!
2) Council voted on whether to accept Inspector's Recommendatiosn-all Labour Councillors vote in favour (good)
All conservatives vote against it (bad is an understatement).
Anyhow that's a very simplistic account of what has happened but if you want to hear more then the lastest news is on the Save Dreamland website
www.savedreamland.co.uk
OK, as the public enquiry rapidly approaches people have the chance to make their views known in the Isle of Thanet Gazette. Basically anyone can add a message (you don't have to be local', it's free and very quick. Although it won't directly influence the Council it will ensure that the campaign has the full support of the major local paper which would be a great boost in saving Dreamland. Presently the results are.
37 messages support preserving the entire site as an amusement park
4 comments would like atlest a portion to be designated to an alternative use (eg as an ice skating rink).
If you want to help save Dreamland then the link so you can make your voice heard is below:
http://ickent.icnetwork.co.uk/debate/page....d=74229&start=1
Thanks to everyone who is continually supporting the campaign!!!
You could have made it a hyperlink for all the lazy people here!
Thanks for the tip Jake although I don't entirely share your notion. The address works as a hyper link for me so whether it's because you have a different browser etc I don't know.
At the end of the day I'm not linking to some page peeps will glanze at, say "that was mildly interessting", and move on. I'm linking to a page where people can make a difference over whether or not one of the Countries greatest amusement/theme parks is saved.
The Save Dreamland campaign (which incidentally has over 13,000 members) has been presenting people with many ways in which they can show their support and this is by far the easiest yet. If people don't want to copy and paste the address into another browser it suggests that perhaps they aren't interessted.
If one of the greatest amusement treasures is replaced by a super market will you be the one saying "I could have helped save it but didn't because I'm too lazy!".
I know this sounds like I'm having a go and I'm not meaning to, just trying to be a little ironic (it's just my personality). The point of this message is to show how passionately many people feel about saving the park and how it really isn't all that difficult/time consuming to leave a short message (many people have spent time writting whole letters).
At the end of the day I'm not linking to some page peeps will glanze at, say "that was mildly interessting", and move on. I'm linking to a page where people can make a difference over whether or not one of the Countries greatest amusement/theme parks is saved.
The Save Dreamland campaign (which incidentally has over 13,000 members) has been presenting people with many ways in which they can show their support and this is by far the easiest yet. If people don't want to copy and paste the address into another browser it suggests that perhaps they aren't interessted.
If one of the greatest amusement treasures is replaced by a super market will you be the one saying "I could have helped save it but didn't because I'm too lazy!".
I know this sounds like I'm having a go and I'm not meaning to, just trying to be a little ironic (it's just my personality). The point of this message is to show how passionately many people feel about saving the park and how it really isn't all that difficult/time consuming to leave a short message (many people have spent time writting whole letters).
QUOTE (Neil. @ Jan 31 2006, 02:49 PM)
Well this topic has been dead for quite a while but for those who haven't heard here is the next part of the story:
1) Public Inspector said that Dreamland should remain an Amusement Park!
2) Council voted on whether to accept Inspector's Recommendatiosn-all Labour Councillors vote in favour (good)
All conservatives vote against it (bad is an understatement).
1) Public Inspector said that Dreamland should remain an Amusement Park!
2) Council voted on whether to accept Inspector's Recommendatiosn-all Labour Councillors vote in favour (good)
All conservatives vote against it (bad is an understatement).
I take it the Conservatives are in majority then?
Probably looking to line their pockets from the monitary fallout from a supermarket land grab
My h'apenny? first theme park I ever did was Dreamland- Looping Star first then Scenic Railway... and I went on that about 4 times... it rocked!
Tussauds should buy it and ship it to Thorpe...
I might be old, I might be a bit sad but do I care? not likely
Malky
Tussauds should buy it and ship it to Thorpe...
I might be old, I might be a bit sad but do I care? not likely
Malky
Sorry Swampster. Yes, my fingers type faster than my mind thinks, but yes, the Conservatives hold a majority.
Tubtatto, the only solution I'd be happy with is seeing the entire Park saved. Dreamland's roots go back over 100 years and I don't see why one or two people should suddenly destroy it for the sake of money.
Joking apart realistically because it's so old it can't be moved as the wood as sort of welded (for want of a better term) together. I know that's not a very technical way of putting it but all that could be moved is the trains, so effectively trying to move it would mean starting again.
If you want this great coaster to roll into the next decade then please leave your comments supporting the campaign on the Thanet Gazette website!
Tubtatto, the only solution I'd be happy with is seeing the entire Park saved. Dreamland's roots go back over 100 years and I don't see why one or two people should suddenly destroy it for the sake of money.
Joking apart realistically because it's so old it can't be moved as the wood as sort of welded (for want of a better term) together. I know that's not a very technical way of putting it but all that could be moved is the trains, so effectively trying to move it would mean starting again.
If you want this great coaster to roll into the next decade then please leave your comments supporting the campaign on the Thanet Gazette website!
Neil, I also agree that the park should be saved... trouble is I'm not sure it will be. there has been so much talk about the park over the years that I'm afraid the council will start to think it's all be heard before... and some developer with big pockets can speak quite loudly if you know what I mean.
I wish I'd been more often than i had but fingers crossed for the future.
Malky
I wish I'd been more often than i had but fingers crossed for the future.
Malky
I have added my two penneth worth to the debate on that site. However looking at the included vote on that site, there have either been some "spoiler votes" or there are a LOT of short sighted people about.
I can't believe 43% would vote that it's an ideal site for a shopping centre or housing.
I have just checked, the voting script does allow multiple votes... and if it does complain, you just refresh and vote again. As somebody pointed out, in their comments post.. they "smell a rat".
I can't believe 43% would vote that it's an ideal site for a shopping centre or housing.
I have just checked, the voting script does allow multiple votes... and if it does complain, you just refresh and vote again. As somebody pointed out, in their comments post.. they "smell a rat".
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trouble is I'm not sure it will be. there has been so much talk about the park over the years that I'm afraid the council will start to think it's all be heard before...
Has there been 'much talk' before, because this is news to me? I know it seems like years (well I suppose it is) but when Dreamland was closed it was quite sudden (although with hindsight owner Jimmy Godden had development in mind for years). Just because this is dragging on a while is not a reason to give in. I whole heartedly believe that if the campign hangs in there it will only be a matter of time before the place is saved. Remember we managed to convince both the major local paper (Thanet Gazette) and the Public Inspector that the entire site should remain an amusment park. It can only be a matter of time before we pursuade the remaing portion of the Council.
I fully agree with Swampster that the result was very odd (particularly as it does not reflect the comments left or the results turned on a surevey form in the paper). Luckily for whatever reason it has now risen back up to 83% (presumably because most people do want to see the park saved).
Unfortunately Dreamland won't be saved by touching wood so if you too want to help (you refering to any reader!) then remember the link to leave a comment is:
http://ickent.icnetwork.co.uk/debate/page....d=74229&start=1
Thanks for everyones continued support.
I love this park, and I admire your campaign - I just have a sneaking suspicion that you'll win, and completely outlaw Jimmy Godden from flatenning the park, but it will then mysteriously catch fire.
pah I just went back and visited that debate, and just saw half my post is missing!
Still good to see the vote has taken a turn for the better!
Still good to see the vote has taken a turn for the better!
Well it's just a week left of the public consultation into Dreamland's future so here is a last reminder. If you've forgotten about it, or put it off then it is your last chance to have a say and make a difference. I don't think anyone has actually posted a copy of the original email sent out to campaign members, so here is a copy:
Again it isn't all that easy, but if you need assistance you can either email me or the campaign leader (whichever takes your fancy). If you want to post you response this is fine, but you will need to do it in the next few days to make sure it will get there in time. As has been said before this consultation is crucial if the park is to be saved!!!!
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THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT – PLEASE CAN ALL MEMBERS READ THIS MESSAGE AND THEN SUBMIT COMMENTS TO THE COUNCIL AS EXPLAINED BELOW.
DREAMLAND’S SURVIVAL DEPENDS ON US ALL ACTING NOW.
Thanet District Council has just published proposed modifications to its Local Plan that will allow the Dreamland site to be either partially or completely redeveloped. This is in direct conflict with the independent government inspector’s report of November last year that stated unequivocally that Dreamland must remain an amusement park. The Council is also going directly against the wishes of the people and businesses of Margate – we know that, because of the results of the Council’s last two public consultations.
(The Proposed Modifications can be viewed on a special page on the Thanet District Council website: http://www.thanet.gov.uk/cgi-bin/buildpage.pl?mysql=782 )
Any Local Plan policy that allows for redevelopment of the site – such as the one now proposed by Thanet District Council - effectively means the end for Dreamland. The Inspector said what we always knew was the case: that amusement park operators cannot compete with developers of retail, housing and commercial leisure. If this policy is adopted, there can be absolutely no prospect of a serious investment in the amusement park.
If you are as disappointed as we are that the Council has chosen to ignore the inspector’s recommendations, you MUST let the Council know. There is an easy way to do this online. Just click on the following link to take you to the online Comments Form: http://www.thanet.gov.uk/assets/surv...tions/lp11.htm
Then follow the easy online instructions.
The design of the form is not perfect, so please note the following:
Q2: You need to fill in every field in this question or you cannot go onto the next question. If you are not an organisation, just put ‘NA’ in the box.
Q4: Click the ‘Proposed Modification’ button.
Q5: The Modification Number is M8.6.
Q7: This is where you set out your reasons. At the very least, you need to ask them to fully accept the Inspector’s recommendations. You may also wish to say that the Policy as now proposed by the Council will allow for other uses on the site, which means it is unlikely that an amusement park will survive long-term. Having a clause in the policy that allows for Dreamland’s redevelopment if the amusement park is not viable means that there is no incentive for the owner to invest the very large sums of money required for a permanent amusement park. You can say as much or as little about this issue as you wish.
Q8: You need to ask the Council to reword Policy T11 as set out in the Inspector’s Report (Recommendation 107(iii), page 411)
Don’t forget to click the SUBMIT button when you have finished the online form. This is easily missed. This should take you to a page that says: “Thank you for taking the time to answer this questionnaire.”
Instead of filling out the online form, you can print a form and post it:
http://www.thanet.gov.uk/assets/pdfs...ectionform.pdf
If you need to remind yourself what the Inspector said in his report, you can view the report by clicking here:
http://www.thanet.gov.uk/assets/pdfs/Local...inalVersion.pdf
Scroll down to Page 403 for the section on Policy T11 – Dreamland.
Should you require any assistance with commenting on the Proposed Modifications, please email me: nick@joylandbooks.com.
Once again, can I ask that all members respond to this consultation as this might be our last formal chance to make a difference.
Let's tell them what we think of their decision!
Nick
DREAMLAND’S SURVIVAL DEPENDS ON US ALL ACTING NOW.
Thanet District Council has just published proposed modifications to its Local Plan that will allow the Dreamland site to be either partially or completely redeveloped. This is in direct conflict with the independent government inspector’s report of November last year that stated unequivocally that Dreamland must remain an amusement park. The Council is also going directly against the wishes of the people and businesses of Margate – we know that, because of the results of the Council’s last two public consultations.
(The Proposed Modifications can be viewed on a special page on the Thanet District Council website: http://www.thanet.gov.uk/cgi-bin/buildpage.pl?mysql=782 )
Any Local Plan policy that allows for redevelopment of the site – such as the one now proposed by Thanet District Council - effectively means the end for Dreamland. The Inspector said what we always knew was the case: that amusement park operators cannot compete with developers of retail, housing and commercial leisure. If this policy is adopted, there can be absolutely no prospect of a serious investment in the amusement park.
If you are as disappointed as we are that the Council has chosen to ignore the inspector’s recommendations, you MUST let the Council know. There is an easy way to do this online. Just click on the following link to take you to the online Comments Form: http://www.thanet.gov.uk/assets/surv...tions/lp11.htm
Then follow the easy online instructions.
The design of the form is not perfect, so please note the following:
Q2: You need to fill in every field in this question or you cannot go onto the next question. If you are not an organisation, just put ‘NA’ in the box.
Q4: Click the ‘Proposed Modification’ button.
Q5: The Modification Number is M8.6.
Q7: This is where you set out your reasons. At the very least, you need to ask them to fully accept the Inspector’s recommendations. You may also wish to say that the Policy as now proposed by the Council will allow for other uses on the site, which means it is unlikely that an amusement park will survive long-term. Having a clause in the policy that allows for Dreamland’s redevelopment if the amusement park is not viable means that there is no incentive for the owner to invest the very large sums of money required for a permanent amusement park. You can say as much or as little about this issue as you wish.
Q8: You need to ask the Council to reword Policy T11 as set out in the Inspector’s Report (Recommendation 107(iii), page 411)
Don’t forget to click the SUBMIT button when you have finished the online form. This is easily missed. This should take you to a page that says: “Thank you for taking the time to answer this questionnaire.”
Instead of filling out the online form, you can print a form and post it:
http://www.thanet.gov.uk/assets/pdfs...ectionform.pdf
If you need to remind yourself what the Inspector said in his report, you can view the report by clicking here:
http://www.thanet.gov.uk/assets/pdfs/Local...inalVersion.pdf
Scroll down to Page 403 for the section on Policy T11 – Dreamland.
Should you require any assistance with commenting on the Proposed Modifications, please email me: nick@joylandbooks.com.
Once again, can I ask that all members respond to this consultation as this might be our last formal chance to make a difference.
Let's tell them what we think of their decision!
Nick
Again it isn't all that easy, but if you need assistance you can either email me or the campaign leader (whichever takes your fancy). If you want to post you response this is fine, but you will need to do it in the next few days to make sure it will get there in time. As has been said before this consultation is crucial if the park is to be saved!!!!
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